There is No Place for this Flag in the Republican Tent


This flag represents slavery, hatred, and bigotry–Democrats. It has no place at a GOP rally, & any right-winger waving it is a philosophical traitor.

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  • jlfonz1

    Zo, democrat scums plant crap like this all the time, I tend to agree with you when you said it probably was a plant.

  • Chris Barnes

    Zo, you have to know I love you. Your direct approach to political commentary is a breath of fresh air.

    But on this topic, you don’t know what you’re talking about. The confederate flag is only seen as a symbol of racism because a racist group hijacked it. If you allow a racist group to get away with it, they will inevitably hijack every symbol you hold dear to your heart.
    #PrideNotPrejudice

    • jbinpo

      This flag is the flag of the democrat party, pure and simple. Its the flag under which democrats fought and died to preserve slavery and destroy the union.

    • PATRIOT.WW48

      you really need to study history

    • PATRIOT.WW48

      Right-On

    • Lara Fabans

      Once upon a time, I had agreed with you…that we shouldn’t back down because the flag wasn’t originally created to be the symbol of racism. It was a symbol Southern pride and hillbilly ingenuity. Unfortunately, it is what it is right now, and it’s time to put the flag away until we can turn the tide towards more racial harmony and equal opportunity. By then, we’ll have a more educated population and can bring back the facts.

    • AmericanPatriot4

      “Unfortunately, it is what it is right now, and it’s time to put the flag away until we can turn the tide towards more racial harmony and equal opportunity. By then, we’ll have a more educated population and can bring back the facts.”

      So we fight racism and ignorance with…. ignorance?

      2+2 is actually 4 … but I’m going to agree that it’s 3 until they stop calling me a racist.

    • patgo

      You’re not LISTENING to what this flag represents to black Republicans! Sorry, but the south fought UNDER this flag to preserve slavery. THEY are the ones who gave it its meaning. Furthermore, Democrats DO use the display of this flag against us. Quite frankly, I could never live in the south, and this flag is one of the reasons why.

      When talking to Southrons I get this feeling of revulsion for a number of things they promote. Sure, we agree on family values (even though slave owners ignored family values in their slaves, and refused to allow black children to learn to read), but the rest of what they have told me is a real turn-off for me, and if I lived there, I would have neighbors like that. Southern DEMOCRATS.

      Don’t you SEE what displaying this flag does to our culture, our freedom, our message? It’s the wrong message. Regardless of who hijacked it or didn’t, that’s what this flag represents: slavery. We need to pin that on the Democrats, the party of slavery, and we should be ASHAMED to display it.

      Private meanings are not allowed. What MESSAGE are you conveying when you display that flag? It’s not the one I HOPE you want to convey. It’s what other people think it means that counts.

    • pearl87

      Blacks have been brain-washed, as indeed we ALL have, about the topic of the Civil War. If Americans looked at that conflict with fresh eyes, we would understand what was really at stake. Nothing less than liberty for ALL. Slavery was never the point, but it suited the indoctrinators to frame it that way.

    • patgo

      Sorry, that dog don’t hunt. You can put all the spin on it you want. The CENTRAL issue was slavery. Just because there were other issues (such as the extra taxation people complain of) doesn’t mean that slavery was not the central issue. Slavery is a vicious outrage, and regardless of the other issues, that is paramount to me.

      And no, I’m not black, and claiming that all blacks have been brainwashed is a racist statement all by itself.

      I don’t need to look at the conflict with fresh eyes. Truth is truth. The war was first and foremost about slavery. It was about the south’s attempt to secede, but the reason for this desire was both slavery and economics. Of the two, slavery was far more important.

      So don’t tell me what to think. I have seen the other claims. They don’t have much weight as far as I am concerned. Put that flag away. Nobody NEEDS to display it, especially today when we are struggling to get back our country. Put your personal ego trip aside. We need everyone’s strength. Admit slavery was wrong, and an abomination. Get over it. Join us, and stop detracting from efforts with symbols that today mean slavery.

    • Jim Franklin

      Actually, slavery falls under the heading of economics, as slavery allowed/enabled profits of the plantation owners. Eli Whitney’s cotton gin, designed to make work easier for slaves actually increased the need for more slaves because of how quickly cotton could be deseeded….
      But, if you read the Republican Platform of 1960. you see the platform was solidly based on freeing the slaves…

      So, freeing the slaves would have had an adverse effect on Southern economics

    • patgo

      I KNOW that’s the way southerners thought. It is corrupt from the get-go. It puts MONEY ahead of the life and liberty of people made in the image of God! That’s SICK! Basically, the South was built on the backs of slaves, who lost everything, so that some people could get rich. How times have changed. NOT! I assume you mean the Republican Platform of 1860. Just because the GOP put PEOPLE ahead of MONEY didn’t make them wrong. There are better answers to the problem of economics.

      So your point is?

    • PATRIOT.WW48

      Extremely well said, THX

    • Jim Franklin

      Look at the 1860 Republican Platform

    • Jim Franklin

      Most of the men who fought under that flag, weren’t fighting for slavery, they didn’t own slaves…..they were convinced they were fighting for freedom, theirs.

      Its compelling to stand against big government and over regulation, but its also important to understand the perception that flag portrays to the general public, and whatever the flag meant to the majority of men who fought and died for it, it is not seen in that meaning for most people today….the DON”T TREAD ON ME flag is a better representation today, to convey your message of less government oppression.

    • patgo

      I’m sure the people who fought under the flag knew they were defending slavery, even if they didn’t personally own slaves. I absolutely agree with you about what that flag means today, and the idea that the Don’t Tread On Me flag is far more appropriate. Furthermore, most of the people who carry the confederate battle flag today are trying to make a statement, and it is NOT the statement that fits with our purposes as conservative Republicans. They’re preaching to US, not our mutual political enemies.

    • Thanatos144

      Bullshit. I hate this cop out. They were fighting for slavery. Ignorance is no excuse for perpetrating treason and evil.

  • urbanvrwcmom

    Another flag that’s offensive to leftists is the CHRISTIAN FLAG.

    • Curly Bill

      Christians will get the blame for almost anything bad.

    • PATRIOT.WW48

      true words there Curly Bill

    • patgo

      I fail to see the connection.

    • urbanvrwcmom

      Simple, the Christian flag has a CROSS on it.

    • patgo

      The confederate flag has an X on it. Not the same thing. And I don’t CARE if THEY think it’s a cross. It’s a hate symbol, and Christianity is the religion of LOVE.

      Remember, the swastika is a mirror image of an ancient symbol of life. Should we condemn the ancient symbol of life because a mirror image was a symbol of death? Of COURSE it is. That’s what a mirror image represents.

    • PATRIOT.WW48

      You really need to study the History of THE WAR of NORTHERN AGGRESSION and what really lead to it, and what Lincoln did UNCONSTITUTIONALLY. The beginnings of patriot act & ndaa

    • patgo

      Sorry. The rich white people in the south were aggressing against people of color who are made in the IMAGE OF GOD! They have NO complaints when people try to defend their victims. I know all the excuses. Don’t bother. They don’t cut the mustard as far as I am concerned.

  • TruckinMack

    I haven’t listened to your post, but until I do…

    I look at the Stars and Bars as no different than the Union Jack. We fought against and defeated the British. We fought against and defeated the South. I hold no animosity to those who wish to honor their heritage or their history. Yep their were indeed evil things about slavery in the south. There were noble things as well. Ditto for the north. Ditto for England. Ditto for Africa. If you look at something through a prism of hate, you will only find hate…

    I reserve the right to change my opinion, but I will be surprised if I do.

    • AmericanPatriot4

      Also, just for historical fun facts, go take a look at which civil war generals were slave owners, and which were abolitionists.

    • PATRIOT.WW48

      you are so correct, THX for bringing that up

    • PATRIOT.WW48

      You best study history son, and what really caused THE WAR of NORTHERN AGGRESSION. oh your much loved Lincoln and his desire to send the negro back to Africa. his imprisonment of reporters & others who spoke against him. Does the patriot act & NDAA ring a bell.

    • TruckinMack

      I understand the War of Northern Aggression (even without the caps), and I am not unsympathetic.

      I’ve no idea if Lincoln wanted to deport slaves out of racism or out of a desire to free them from a nation not treating them well.

      As for imprisoning reporters (or agitators) for giving aid and comfort to the enemy? Awesome.

      As for the Patriot Act? On September 11, after the second building was hit, but before either one of them fell. my concern was that Congress in an act of desperation that it must do something, would do something very bad. They did. It was the Patriot Act.

      Reagards – TM

    • patgo

      The Good Book says that those who bear the sword will perish by the sword. Southerners bore the sword against the slaves. They maintained slavery through violence. What goes around comes around.

      From what I have seen of the Patriot Act, it isn’t really that unacceptable. It’s the abuse of it that is.

    • Zo’s one of my #NerdCrushes

      Listen to or read Sowell’s book, Black Rednecks & White Liberals. It’s phenomenal. You’ll learn more history–and the reasons for it–that you’ve learned to date. He covers your question on Lincoln, and why Washing had slaves yet wouldn’t sell them. It’s not what you think. It should be in every school in America. http://youtu.be/j2HshZlPA6E

    • Jim Franklin

      Repatriation doesn’t sound like a bad thing does it? The Babylonians allowed the Jews to go back to Israel and that was hailed as a good thing.

      I was born and raised in the South, still as I remember my history, the South fired the first shots that began the war.

    • PATRIOT.WW48

      there’s no talking to ignorance like that so as the FRENCH say….I SURRENDER

    • Jim Franklin

      From the comments you have made, you should be weary of calling others unintelligent……the South did fire on Fort Summter first, and repatriating slaves cannot in any sense of imagination be perceived as a bad thing in and of its self…the fact that blacks were sold into slavery by other blacks, and sending former slaves back to where they, or their families had been purchased would not necessarily mean they would actually be going “home”, but Lincoln, who schooled himself, and studied law, may not have known what we know today, so his call for repatriation should not be seen as malicious.

    • Sunshine Kid

      Study history, Jim. Lincoln refused to negotiate the removal of Union forces from the Southern states. In fact, he manipulated the first shots by sending ships with supplies to Fort Sumter, showing that he was not about to remove his troops from states that did not want them anymore. It was a perfect chess move to start a war.

  • patgo

    Wow! You said everything that needs to be said and then some. That flag makes me see RED, in all sorts of ways. I fail to see how this flag honors the pro-family heritage of the south. Southrons should be ASHAMED of this flag. What’s wrong with them?

    • PATRIOT.WW48

      I’d be ashamed of you, you can’t even spell SOUTHERNERS. Like I tols zo. go study history

    • patgo

      LOL I am spelling it like the people, who promote that flag and the huge focus on all their wonderful “virtues” as southerners, spell it. Looks like you’re the one who needs to study. I know more than you apparently think I do.

  • PATRIOT.WW48

    I knew if I listened o you long enough your true COLOR(oh I’m sorry colors) would come out. Have always agreed with you, HOWEVER YOU HAD BEST STUDY HISTORY, son(I might have meant another word) Your boy Lincoln was of the mind to return the Negros to Africa. Only 6% of southerners owned slaves. What were the other 94% fighting for??? Robert E. Lee freed his slaves before the war. The wife of U. S. Grant did not release her slaves till after the war. There were 100’s of negros who owned slaves. Congress, in a bill passed I 1860 effectively raised taxes(tariffs) on the SOUTH. SO , unless YOU have forgotten these words “When in the course of Human Events…………” meaning if you don’t like who you are with, you can leave. Kinda like a club your in, if the bylaws change and you no longer like what the club is doing, YOU CAN LEAVE. “SECEDE” I am reminded of what William F. Buckley Jr. use to say “I won’t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said” P. friggin’ S. THE WAR of NORTHERN AGGRESSION ain’t over, we’re just reloading. P.P. frigin’ S. Th SOUTH is no longer like it was back in the days of Gov. Wallace.

    • J_R_K

      I don’t know about the rest of what you said, but you are right in your last statement… when Wallace was governor, everybody knew it was the DEMOCRATS who had their racist foot on the necks of black Americans.

    • Sunshine Kid

      Which is why I voted for Wallace. He might have been racist himself, but my concern was that he was openly supporting states’ rights and personal freedoms, political correctness notwithstanding. I believe that is why he was shot.

    • J_R_K

      Please explain to me how a man can be openly racist and a champion of personal freedoms at the same time without denying personal freedom (like using a public bathroom, eating in a restaurant, drinking from a water fountain or sitting on a bus in a seat you got to first, or in the front of the bus,) to other men and women.

      The concept that States Rights usurps the rights of individuals is a thing the Democrats are still all over, all about and making every effort to force on the rest of the country. It seems to me that when and if they succeed, we are all become slaves to the state. Placing states rights above the concept that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator (God) with certain unalienable rights i while at the same time claiming to believe in personal freedoms s a contradiction that, if carried far enough, could actually result in a civil war. As Lincoln observed correctly, making reference to the words of the Lord, a house divided against itself cannot stand, but has an end. The Southern states, in fighting for states rights, personal property rights, personal freedom and the enslavement of other men at the same time was a house philosophically divided by a double minded standard and at the same time, divided the entire union.

      I suppose one might say that we are all very fortunate that the South lost the war. However, the philosophical divisions inherent in the conflict between states rights and individual freedom do seem to still be with us, so while I don’t exactly expect the South to rise again, I think it’s a little premature to declare that they lost, if for no other reason, the philosophical and political war continues to rage on. Some people on both sides of the issue want to blame what’s happening in Ferguson, Mo. right now on nothing but skin color, But, ultimately, the cause of what’s happening in Ferguson and the ultimate cause for the Civil war are exactly the same: The signing of the Declaration of Independence while slavery was, at the same time, an acceptable practice in the colonies.

    • Kerry Cox

      PatriotWW48, you can go on somewhere. Zo is correct and you are tripping. Your true racist colors show in the first sentence of your ignorant paragraph. Take a hike…

    • PATRIOT.WW48

      ooOHH, as the FRENCH say….”I SURRENDER”…..P. friggin’ S. SMD

    • Zo’s one of my #NerdCrushes

      Listen to or read Thomas Sowell’s book, Black Rednecks & White Liberals. It’s phenomenal. You’ll learn more history–and the reasons for it–that you’ve learned to date. http://youtu.be/j2HshZlPA6E

    • PATRIOT.WW48

      have seen it , but they didn’t have a cd of it

    • Sunshine Kid

      Download it. Using Firefox, get the add-on “Flashgot” (under “Tools”), then you can download the file in pretty much all formats that YouTube has available.

    • Sunshine Kid

      Well put! The Civil war was multifaceted, not only a slavery issue. The victors (federalists) held the Confederate states in the Union at the point of a gun, and forced totally unconstitutional requirements on the defeated. Then, they rewrote the history books.

    • PATRIOT.WW48

      VERY WELL SAID, Thank You so much. THX also for info on that cd.

  • AmericanLass

    I never understood anyone on the right using this flag. Have seen people comment that it stands for pride of the south. Pride in what, can anyone answer that ?

    • PATRIOT.WW48

      Read what the hell I said to zo. P. friggin’ S. study history

    • AmericanLass

      I wrote my comment before yours came through.

  • J_R_K

    Democrat party battle flag down, democrat supporters pants up… wow… someone needs needs to make a bumper sticker out of that concept. That would most definitely be two steps in the right direction. LOL

    • PATRIOT.WW48

      democrat battle flag, You Really Need To Study AMERICAN HISTORY

    • J_R_K

      I have and do still study American History.. unfortunately, none of my text books were published in the south by southerners… But, ok,I’ll take your word for it that the rebel stars and bars was not the battle flag of the Southern states who believed one human being had the right to call another human being his property… so, where can I find a photo of the real southern flag?

    • Zo’s one of my #NerdCrushes

      Listen to or read Sowell’s book, Black Rednecks & White Liberals. It’s phenomenal. You’ll learn more history–and the reasons for it–that you’ve learned to date. http://youtu.be/j2HshZlPA6E

    • J_R_K

      Man, looks like that thing is 11 hours, 10 minutes and 12 seconds long… But given that it comes from Tomah Sowell, I agree, it is likely to be very educational, so although it’ll take days to get through it one piece at a time, I will watch it. Thanks for the heads up on this video. I’ve never been aware of it’s existance before and I expect it to be very informative and very well done.

    • Rattlerjake

      This book immediately tries to establish negativity toward the south and favorable to the north; instead of talking about the history and then establishing the pros and cons.

    • PATRIOT.WW48

      I won’t insult your intelligence by suggestion that you really believe what you just said

    • J_R_K

      I know you and I do not see eye to eye on the history of the Civil War and the flag flown by the Southern States, but until now, I have never had any reason to suspect that you might be a liberal. “I won’t insult your intelligence by suggestion that you really believe what you just said” …. Let me see if I can answer in in kind … I won’t insult your personal character by suggestion that you argue like a liberal.

      Ok, having said that, I still don’t believe you are a liberal. … but your argument lacks any substance other than insult which you said you wouldn’t do…. I guess any one can slip up just a bit from time to time. LOL

  • pearl87

    Our country is so polarized, Zo, I can’t help but think you adding this to the mix is a bad idea. Fact is, the confederate flag does NOT stand for slavery or racism to most of the people who honor it today, nor did it represent slavery to the Southerners who rallied behind it. Yours is actually a very biased perspective, such that you have accepted, without scrutiny, the claims of the victors in the Civil War. I am sorry if you believe your own propaganda here, but I believe it is a kind of indoctrination that the north has been pounding into the nation for 150 years and it is still not true. To say that all those who loved the old South did so because they owned human beings and there was nothing else that the South represented, is to slander every Southerner unjustly. Don’t forget, there were plenty of slaveholders in the North as well.
    This was a uniquely destructive segment for the cause of freedom. In truth, that is what Southerners associate with their flag – State’s rights and genuine self-determination. As one of the posters pointed out Robert E. Lee freed his slaves before the war, but U.S. Grant continued to hold his. The real purpose of that war was not to free anyone, it was to make slaves of us ALL.

    • PATRIOT.WW48

      EXTREMLY WELL SAID.!!!!!!! Thank You… I thought what and how I said was pretty good. MY hat’s of to you.

  • PATRIOT.WW48

    in addition to what I said below. It was very STUPID to fly “The CONFEDERATE BATTLE FLAG” at that venue, but what you said about IT and the AMERICANS that fought under it was DISPICABLE…..

  • Jim Franklin

    Most of the people who fought under that flag were not slave owners, they were convinced that they were fighting for States rights, or personal freedom and less government infringement and not slavery. They didn’t realize that the poverty they were living in, was in part due to the jobs available for unskilled labor were being filled by slaves.
    Just as Democrats have convinced people today that they are for the civil rights of those oppressed, their historic goal has always been to keep people oppressed and ruled by the elite.

    Why would someone choose to fly that flag and admit they had been fooled and taken advantage of? Anyway, if you have an ancestor who fought under that flag, even for the best of reasons, I have no problem with the flag being displayed on your mantle, but we are talking about perceptions, and the majority perception of that flag today is, that it represents a battle for ultimate freedom, and the flag represented the wrong side of the battle.

    • PATRIOT.WW48

      that’s because most people don’t know AMERICAN HISTORY….mantle, mantle. then you wouldn’t like my outside display of The STARS & STRIPES, The CONFEDERATE BATTLE FLAG, & The POW-MIA you are not forgotten.

    • Jim Franklin

      Your perception of the Confederate Battle flag probably differs from general perception, and I wonder what message your neighbors draw from your display and if it, and if it detracts meaning of from the other two flags.

    • PATRIOT.WW48

      The same could be said for your perception……However, I won’t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said

    • Jim Franklin

      You can say what you want about your perception of my intelligence, but if you think that the Confederate flag doesn’t hold a completely different meaning to different individuals, then you are mistaken. To me, that flag stands for States rights and freedom from government oppression, but I cannot convey that thought to everyone, so for the purpose of communication with my neighbors, I would not fly that flag…..it would take away from the US flag that I do fly.

    • Rattlerjake

      Problem is that people like you and ZO worry about perceptions and not on solutions. We are far past the point in this country to be worrying about offending anyone for any reason. The libturds have destroyed everything this country stands for, to include diluting or destroying the meanings of most of our culture – Religion, marriage, immigration, the Constitution, discrimination, the confederate flag, slavery, morality, etc. The civil war was 90% about states rights and against the north trying to force their will on the south and destroying it’s economic health. Slavery became an issue later in the war. It’s nice when you know actual history!

    • AmericanPatriot4

      Your version of history is very diluted. The south was absolutely booming during that time period, and it was the North trying to force their hand in the profits. It was the single largest reason the whole thing began.

  • TinMan2

    Zo, you are So So right! I’ve argued with coworkers, friends and neighbors over the true meaning of the confederate flag. You echo everything I stand for and believe in. I will continue to support your channel and “try” to get the conservatives with their heads in the sand to watch and listen to you. You have a gift my friend………….Mike P.S. Yes everyone it was a war over slavery.

  • Elcrapocrew

    Zo, I have not had a chance to watch your video yet so I reserve the right to change my statement after I have but I wanted to quickly put my $.02 in after reading the comments on this page.

    I have lived all my life in the south, and I have seen the Stars and Bars quite a bit. I learned the history of the Civil War early on and I have learned more about it as I have grown. I personally do not fly, and will not fly, the rebel flag because it seems to me an offense to the men and women who have paid the ultimate price for my freedom.

    Another reason I do not chose to honor the rebel flag is for the message it conveys to most people who see it today. The rebel flag is, to the vast majority of people who see it, a symbol of the old south, of racism and bigotry. Whether this is the true meaning or is a false attribution is not of any great importance.

    And, lets be honest. If you are proud of your southern heritage (which is fine) there are a myriad of other ways to show it.

    1 Corinthians 8:13 comes to mind here.

  • HOFFHACK

    ZO, FYI, the State Flags of ALABAMA, ARKANSAS, Mississippi, MISSOURI, FLORIDA, GEORGIA, NC AND TENNESSEE ARE ALL VARIATIONS OF BATTLE FLAGS THAT WERE FLOWN BY THE CONFEDERACY. If it offends people, TOO BAD! I AM OFFENDED BY OFFENDED PEOPLE!

    • Sunshine Kid

      Me too!

  • Zo, when I was a kid and standing side by side with my black brothers and sisters on civil rights and equal treatment under the law, I also had a Confederate Battle flag on my bedroom wall. At the time it was more of an “I’m tired of Yankee liberals telling me what to do” thing than it was a racist thing. In my little Texas college town we had students and I had classmates from every corner of the world and every color there is. My ancestors, some of them, were racist in their attitudes, though they never really thought of it as racism, just as what they’d always been taught. My great, great, great grandfather died fighting for the Union. I haven’t found a single one that fought for the Confederacy, although one worked as Postmaster which was a Confederate government job.

    When I worked at summer camp, we were always flying my Confederate flag in places to irritate the Boston Yankee preacher who was our camp director. We didn’t think anything about it being racist, though he probably did. We were just picking at him about being a stuffy, blue-nosed Yankee.

    Until liberals began telling everyone it was a symbol of the Confederacy, I never really thought of it as a symbol of oppression. Most of the guys who fought in that war on the Southern side didn’t own any slaves. Most thought it was about preserving their rights, even the ones who did thing black people were inferior.

    We should be careful what meaning we make of things. The South lost. The Battle Flag is a sad reminder of a stupid and futile war fought for all the wrong reasons on both sides. Personally, I think God allowed the carnage to go on as long as it did because the North refused to make it about putting an end to slavery. People want to make symbols of things for their own purposes. I know some who see the Confederate flag as equivalent to the Nazi flag. It really wasn’t. No one deliberately went out to slaughter a whole race of people. The Southern aristocracy were the bad guys in the whole thing. They were willing to enslave a whole race of people in order to prop up a lop-sided unfair economy rather than face the change that 90% of them knew was coming and who knew that it needed to come.

    I have no problem with using the battle flag in a historical context, at festivals and historical celebrations or to honor ancestors who died or in re-enactments. Such things remind us not to be stupid again and let our country be divided again. It might be a good thing about now if we all laid down our weapons and celebrate the fact that the fight did happen and that the right emerged victorious and made us a better and stronger country. We are still fighting that battle.

    So while we assign meaning to flags, how about we renew the meaning of Old Glory with it’s 50 stars and its promise of becoming better than we were, better than we are and all that we can and should be. Let’s not get side-tracked by people creating symbols of whatever they can find that they can use to divide us.

    We should have a “Hug a Southerner” campaign. Most of us would hug you right back and say, “Bless your heart.” That’s a whole lot better way to unite this nation than by pointing fingers, condemnation and assigning blame. Those who fly a flag should be allowed to say what it means. After all, that’s why you fly a flag – as a statement. I’ve put my old Confederate banner away and will not fly it again because some of my friends find it offensive. I fly my Texas flag instead. I just hope someone doesn’t try to make something out of that which is not intended.

    • Sunshine Kid

      Sure wish I could put more than one uptick to that post!

  • Thomas J. Zaleski

    Zo is spot on, per usual

  • Zo’s one of my #NerdCrushes

    A year ago, I supported Right-wingers’ flying the Confederate flag as a sign of courage and grit. Today, I’ve learned the complexity of what was going on in the South, and a whole lot more, by listening to my #NerdCrush Dr Thomas Sowell’s audiobook, Black Rednecks & White Liberals.

    Zo is right; the Confederate flag isn’t.

    You might as well wear a white sheet to a GOP meeting because you’re cold. Keep your sheets on your bed and your Confederate flag in your trunk of memorabilia–or face the taunting of the Left. You know how that will go: You’re a racist! And that’s where it will stop. They’ll proclaim from every Leftist website the Conservatives are racists. Don’t give them that chance.

    • Sunshine Kid

      Eleven hour YouTube? That will take time to review (but I will). I, however, will only state this from my own experience: My mother was from Alabama; my father from Michigan, so I have relatives that hold both views of the Civil War. Interestingly, none of my relatives that I can recall ever called the Confederate flag a “slavery flag”, and my uncles’ fathers fought each other during the Civil War (yes, I am an OLD man, born of the youngest of the clans, so my grandparents were barely alive when I was born, and I can only remember my grandfather (mother’s side) only vaguely). It seems to me, thinking back on the conversations I overheard, that most of the disagreement came not about any slavery issue, and that is from “common people”, not any history lesson by some scholars that tend to look for hidden “facts”, or things that are obtusely referenced. Most of my forebears’ conversations were about did the Federal government overstep its powers?
      It seems to me, most people want to put the Confederate flag into a “slavery flag” pigeonhole, only it doesn’t quite fit the total historical picture. It also stood for anti-federalism, independence from trampling of states’ rights to self governing, and simple rebellion from authority; an authority deemed unpopular by the people. Yes, PEOPLE found the Federal power too much back then, the same as people are finding the Federal power to be too much today. Is it a slavery issue? Well, if the liberals have their say, it certainly is!
      By the way, if this breaks out into another Civil War, will history record it as a racial issue, or as a constitutional rights issue? That depends on WHO WINS. Remember those last two words.

    • SARAH MAX

      Sunshine…that’s YOUR FAMILY’S views on it.. to 98% or more blacks…it represents hatefulness towards THEM. You don’t “feel it” so u cling to your opinions..as my husband also does.. but maybe you don’t believe Christ’s urging to care for Others feelings & to have compassion for the weaker ones…weak in the faith? I’m not saying ‘black people are weak’.. just that how you view their feelings seems to me, to be inconsiderate…like Paul said; if he was eating with people who felt they couldn’t eat meat or drink wine… so he wouldn’t do so in their presence, in order to not cause them to stumble or feel danger over his deeds.? I hope this makes sense what I’m trying to say here..But I guess you will if you study the Bible much. To you the flag isn’t about slavery…but to millions of people today, it does.

    • SARAH MAX

      PS. Sunshine…your quote: “..so I have relatives that hold both views of the Civil War. Interestingly, none of my relatives that I can recall ever* called the Confederate flag a “slavery flag”*, and my uncles’ fathers fought each other during the Civil War..”
      Of course you never heard that..but you’re NOT BLACK either, nor any of those specific relatives were either I bet? That’s my point from the get – go…for the most part it’s not CAUCASIANS that are offended or made uncomfortable by that flag ..it’s blacks that feel negative junk when they are around people flying that flag. If you are a Christian, maybe you should read our Handbook once in awhile…see “Romans 14:20-22 Amplified Bible
      20 You must not, for the sake of food, undo & break down & destroy the work of God! Everything is indeed [ceremonially] clean & pure, but it is wrong for anyone to hurt the conscience of others or to make them fall by what he eats.
      21 The right thing is to eat no meat or drink no wine [at all], or [do anything else] if it makes your brother stumble or hurts his conscience or offends or weakens him.
      22 Your personal convictions [on such matters]—exercise [them] as in God’s presence, keeping them to yourself [striving only to know the truth & obey His will]. Blessed (happy, to be envied) is he who has no reason to judge himself for what he approves [who does not convict himself by what he chooses to do].”

  • thomas

    Great video Zo, please don’t ever stop making sense.

  • Sunshine Kid

    It is both correct and incorrect about the Confederate flag with regard to the Civil War. The Civil War was not a single-issue event (no war ever is a single-issue event); it was also a STATES RIGHTS conflict. The fact is, and this is glossed over by a lot of people, that the Southern states objected strenuously against the tarriffs that was favorable to the the Northern states. The Confederate flag, therefore, represented STATES RIGHTS, and that is the same thing that the issue is about today. Bringing up “slavery” as the sole issue of the Confederate flag is about as dumb as saying all Southerners were Democrats; no they weren’t. There was a mix, just as there are today, and the liberals, instead of trying to encourage harmony, are fomenting discord among us, and Zo fell right into that trap – like saying, “Blacks are bad because they are black”, and that is PURE BS; people are “bad” because they are selfish, criminally inclined (both rich and poor), taught that they are “owed”, “PoliticalCorrectnessCrap”, and other hogwash teachings, most of which come from the Alinsky playbook, “Rules for Radicals”. Hating a flag for “slavery” overlooks the fact that the flag also stood for independence, rights and equality in taxation, tariffs and duties, with no preferences given to certain groups. Don’t forget that fathers often fought against their sons, and brothers against their own brothers, so it wasn’t just a slavery issue that can conveniently be pigeonholed away as the “only meaning” of the Confederate flag. The Confederate flag also stood for independence from the Union, and the Union flag stood for subjugation of the rights of states in violation of the Bill of Rights, specifically the 9th and 10th amendments.

    • SARAH MAX

      Sunshine, seriously tho, what do you think you’d feel like if you were black & your neighbors flew a flag… THAT flag?

    • Sunshine Kid

      If you grew up being taught that the Confederate flag was nothing but a racist flag and had nothing to do with rights, you’d be upset, no doubt about it. If you knew, on the other hand, that racism has been kept alive only by race baiting and using the Civil War as nothing but a race war, then perhaps you might feel that the true racists are those who keep the racial divisions wounds open, not the flag itself.

    • Thanatos144

      When have democrats evwr been for freedom? I mean hey you go right ahead and be proud of the states right for slavery

    • Sunshine Kid

      There you go again with the “states right for slavery”. Read “The Real Lincoln” by Thomas J. Dilorezo. It is filled with verifiable facts that even the liberals have yet to erase from the Internet, although they sure try! The war was a lot more than just the slavery issue. Besides, the slavery trade was already dying, but the racial hatred was inflamed by Democrats, but who votes most for those racists?

    • Thanatos144

      What the heck does a crack pot historian writing a book about Lincoln have to do with the fact that the confederate states were treasonous democrats who started a war to save slavery? Keep on being proud of your democrat heritage dude.

    • Sunshine Kid

      For one thing, I’m NOT a Democrat – or did you miss my point about racial hatred being inflamed by Democrats? Be that aside, history has lessons that often do apply to the present. Continue to sound like an idiot, and people will look upon you as an idiot. But that is your choice.

    • Thanatos144

      You identify with this flag you identify with democrats …. You must be a democrat to praise them so much

    • Sunshine Kid

      What, correction of historical twisting of facts means identification with the Confederate flag, and therefore being a Democrat? Where in the world do you get “praise” of Democrats from anything I’ve said? Are you nuts?

    • SARAH MAX

      Sunshine, You actually just said exactly what I was saying. =*) It’s more of a mental/emotional issue than a ‘factual issue’. My husband & I have had numerous argumentative discussions about this. The reason being, that he’s used it growing up in Southern Texas & believes exactly as you do & I understand how he & you view it. What my issue is, is that I’m a Christian & because I’m a Christian & I’m agreeing with Paul; because he said that “he would never consciously cause someone to stumble”.. “if someone has a weak conscience & thinks that it’s a sin to eat meat or to drink wine, even though in my heart there is nothing wrong with meat or wine, but because of Christ I will not cause my brother to stumble, due to their weak (or confused) conscience”. I hope you know what I’m referring to. I know that 99% of African American’s, so called, believe that it was just about slavery because they’ve been told that most of their lives: “that was the people who wanted to keep them as slaves”. The FACT is, that’s a lie, SOME PEOPLE DID, but when they see that flag, all “they feel & think” is that ‘oh THEY believe in slavery’. THEREFORE, I would never personally use that flag…even though my husband would use it in a heartbeat, lol. PERCEPTION is the issue with me.

    • Sunshine Kid

      There is a divisional line in your presentation, so let me point it out; but don’t think I’m being totally negative about your post – I’m not – but you are putting perceptions out that appear to state that because your husband and I agree where you disagree, then we cannot be Christian like you. Not so. For example, you refer to black Americans as “African Americans”, but that is divisive, exactly what liberal “politically correct” idiots want. Are they Africans or Americans, because they certainly cannot be both. Therefore, anything they demand is based on their race. Sorry, Africa is not a race, it is a continent, and the use of “African American” is divisive, not inclusive. Slavery is a dead issue, but who keeps bringing it up instead of looking at the larger issues that existed back then? The United State abolished the importation of slaves in 1808, and the fact of the matter is that slavery was dying as an industry by 1850, ten years before the Civil War. There are many people that say slavery was abolished in 1863 in the United States; no, it wasn’t. Read the Emancipation Proclamation: Lincoln only abolished slavery in areas NOT under Union control. Therefore, slavery was still a fact in the North, and this shows very clearly that the North was NOT fighting over slavery, despite all the rhetoric to the contrary. Had the Civil War been all about slavery, then slavery would have been abolished in the North first, but it was not. In short, the practice was discontinued IN THE NORTH by reason of the thirteenth amendment, ratified December, 1865, fully two years after the Emancipation Proclamation.

      No, the Confederate flag was not about slavery, but the South lost the war, and the victors rewrote history to suit their purposes. It is clear that the North maintained slaves long after the South, so the Confederate flag solely being a symbol of slavery is a hoax.

    • SARAH MAX

      Sunshine, you’re totally reading every thing I said in the opposite of what I was saying, really, reread what I said. One thing was; I said “African Americans, so called”, that’s what I said, & I was being a little facetious. (I wonder if you’re a second-born kid because you’re really zooming in like an OCD perfectionist). And maybe you’re not a 2nd kid but for some reason every single thing you said is the opposite message of my intent. I’m not the greatest writer but you Really mis-read every point I was trying to make? ALSO, I don’t know you at all so I would never attempt to insinuate you’re a Christian OR NOT one…my husband IS a Christian so no I wasn’t saying that you weren’t. I was simply stating; the REASON I would not use that flag is the same reason Paul the Apostle said he would not drink wine or eat me with those who did not have a healthy/strong faith. You need to read what i said again..especially the last half. Me staying that I’m a Christian is in NO WAY insinuating someone else is NOT one..goood-nes!

  • Johnny Christensen

    I get your point but I and many others do not view that flag the same way you do !

  • SARAH MAX

    Alph onzo; you are so right on brother, and I also appreciate ALL you’re saying here. I’ve tried to say that to people numerous times in my life, but some people or just stuck and thank God there are not a lot of them but there’s too many of them that just are just so full of self-centeredness that they really just don’t want to understand I think.

  • Bushwack

    We’re told “Terrorists have hijacked Islam” and we are supposed to take that and believe it or its racist. The confederated battle flag was just that. A symbol of southern confederate’s fighting for states rights. Racists, hijacked that flag so we must accept that anyone waving that flag is racist. Sounds like a bit of a double standard. Maybe we should educate people to the truth about the flag.. But that would take a generational takeover of a liberal education system that increasingly tells us what to think. Oh well. Still do appreciate Big Alfonzo tho.

  • jaxx

    Like that flag or not, if you are in the south, you are gonna see it.

  • Guest

    Zo, please check out Toni Braxtons FB page and see what she’s posted about Black Friday. Why would she post something as ridiculous as this as something that’s true? No wonder racial tensions are worse today than 6 years ago. Almost 27,000 people have “Like” this unbelieveable idiocy, which means there are 27,000 people retelling an untruth as fact, probably because if someone like Toni Braxton has it posted it must be true. Evidently celebrity and a great singing voice suddenly can’t make up for stupid, or irresponsible. This is her post:

  • matt Gregg

    ZO FOR PRESIDENT

  • More garbage from zo. I only agree that the flag is divisive

    • Genie ♥ BENGHAZI ♥ Smith

      The only reason that flag is divisive is because of people like Alfonzo attributing lies to it.

    • RoadDogRed

      LMAO…..
      He IS smarter than you and more in control. Lying makes one FAT. One has to eat more and more to cover their lies… hide from their conscience. The darkness hates the light

  • Genie ♥ BENGHAZI ♥ Smith

    That flag does not represent slavery or the Democrat party, and anyone who thinks so is an idiot.

    Deo Vindice!

    • Thanatos144

      No the only idiots are those who ignore historic facts about the flag being a democrat symbol of their desire to own other people…..

    • Genie ♥ BENGHAZI ♥ Smith

      Your “historic facts” were written by the victors, and are hardly facts at all. It’s just the narrative the federal government chose as “facts” to be presented to the masses in public school.

      “Every man should endeavor to understand the meaning of subjugation before it is too late… It means the history of this heroic struggle will be
      written by the enemy; that our youth will be trained by Northern
      schoolteachers; will learn from Northern school books their version of
      the war; will be impressed by the influences of history and education to
      regard our gallant dead as traitors, and our maimed veterans as fit objects for derision… It is said slavery is all we are fighting for, and if we give it up we give up all. Even if this were true, which we deny, slavery is not all our enemies are fighting for. It is merely the pretense to establish sectional superiority and a more centralized form of government, and to deprive us of our rights and liberties.” ~ Maj. General Patrick R. Cleburne, CSA, January 1864

      Deo Vindice!

    • Thanatos144

      And yet all this posturing means squat since the first things brought up by the number one traitor Jefferson Davis was the right to own slaves and the confederate constitution talks about this same right through out it….History is not the freind of those to in love with a romantic lie about what the democrat confederate states were about.

    • Genie ♥ BENGHAZI ♥ Smith

      Slavery was an issue, but it was not the only issue, and it was not a purely southern issue.

      I pity the fool who cannot read anything other than the truth as he sees it because that fool will never know the truth. If one opens one’s mind and examines all sides of an issue it is amazing what one can learn.

      I too grew up believing the nonsense we were taught in school, and it was not until I began reading first person accounts from both sides of that dark time that I realized we had been lied to about our history.

      Believe the lies if you must. Some of us can’t let go of that security blanket. Sad.

      Deo Vindice!

    • Thanatos144

      Now You believe fantasy

    • RoadDogRed

      So tell me…..Who are the originator(s) of the Democrat party????

  • pcmustgo

    For a lot of Southerners, that flag represents “Southern Pride” and anger at the North. Southerners resent Northerners for all kinds of reasons.

    • Thanatos144

      and yet it was the democrat confederates that started the war….funny how the truth works huh?

  • RoadDogRed

    The confederate flag… ahhh yes….
    The symbol of the DEMOCRAT PARTY and their promotion and preservation of SLAVERY.
    AHHHH.. yes… The DEMOCRAT PARTY… the SLAVERS.. who maimed and killed MILLIONS and MILLIONS of blacks then…
    and NOW. Every Democrat should be proud of this flag, it represent the origins of the party and its values of greed and stupidity

  • RoadDogRed

    Who were the originator(s) of the Democrat party????

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  • Joyce Clemons

    Friends, please listen to this man. He’s saying these truths to help YOU. There are so many things to be proud of in the southern heritage. Please find your voice in your nation’s flag, your state’s banner, you college colors and emblems. Romans 14:13-23English Standard Version (ESV)
    Do Not Cause Another to Stumble13 Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. 14 I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean.

  • Jeremy

    I think there are people who are using this flag as a symbol of standing up to the Federal Government and being left alone. That is part of it, but it was at the expense of something morally wrong. We cannot deny that the flag is part of our Nation’s history, but we cannot change the narrative or ignore its overall meaning. In my mind, I see “Don’t Tread On Me” as a more appropriate symbol. I’m proud to be Conservative, I’m proud to be Republican and I’m proud to follow Jesus Christ, but I’m most proud that I can do it without shame because I really know what it means, not what liberals have been told it means. I love you all, though.

  • climatechangefail

    Thank you for that excellent and accurate video Alfonzo Rachel! Many conservatives probably really are confused as to the true history of the Democrat/Confederate flag. I am not, but this is only because I’ve researched American (and black) history extensively recently. Thanks to the internet, the truth is finally there on the table for anyone who wants it. Democrats can, and do, still lie about it, but one thing is clear – and that’s the voting record. For a good run down of these issues watch American History in Black and White and for the voting record, I like the website Blackandright.com. My additional two cents is this: If anyone accuses Republicans as having “switched sides” I would simply ask them “So, why didn’t the voting record switch also?” If the answer is anything like “Well, it did.” This is a flat out lie.

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